tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post4150435586351237571..comments2024-01-22T16:54:30.446-08:00Comments on Richard Kulisz: SETI types are CreationistsRichard Kuliszhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05450367878517586463noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-56570039941643864642013-12-17T21:06:15.786-08:002013-12-17T21:06:15.786-08:00"You see, AI will necessarily be analytic (ca..."You see, AI will necessarily be analytic (capable of logic), synthetic (capable of creativity) which together means they're capable of judging good and evil, and almost certainly intrinsically moral. That is, AI will almost certainly be and do 3 things that most humans aren't capable of"<br /><br />## IOW, that is largely speculation - it is not fact. The future has a way of *not* turning out as predicted, so it is hard to see any reason to treat these interesting speculations as anything more than - interesting speculations. "Capable of X" =///= "will do or be X". <br /><br />The argument seems to be based on uniformitarian premises - "X is the case now, and it will probably not change". A Roman in 200 AD would have been hopelessly out of his reckoning thinking that about 650. If certain things happen in a certain way, then AI is very likely - if some of the details differ, it could still be very likely. If OTOH certain details are not the case, it may not be likely for a longer time than otherwise it might perhaps have been - or might never happen at all. But surely, if anything is certain, it is that very little in life is predictable: even from one hour to the next. Once we start talking in tens or more of years, prediction becomes a mug's game - no ? <br /><br />James https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778088696977639132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-9940205378749367162012-02-07T17:06:44.373-08:002012-02-07T17:06:44.373-08:00I'm curious as to what you define AI as. I kno...I'm curious as to what you define AI as. I know Artificial Intelligence but are you saying a mold of human and computer? I'm genuinely interested in learning. Humans will most likely wipe themselves out in the next few thousand years (that's generous) so are you saying that AI will sort of rise from the ashes and start over new? I liked your post a lot you're a smart guy. I'm not sure how old most of your posts are but im reading them a lot, my e-mail is midfield_madness@yahoo.com if you'd care to see if im one of the 10% you don't despise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-28829700919107558362011-05-16T19:39:58.748-07:002011-05-16T19:39:58.748-07:00We can call this the "Buffy isn't a monst...We can call this the "Buffy isn't a monster for torturing vampires at will" argument. Something which is a load of crap.<br /><br />And it says something that on the show this argument was based on the existence of a mysterious magical soul which only humans mysteriously and magically possessed.<br /><br />You don't seem to have a good grasp of what morality even is. I have a blog post on just that issue entitled Morality, part 1.<br /><br />But then again, you have very loose definitions of 'coercion' and 'power' and a very bizarre definition of freedom too I bet.<br /><br />Actually, you're not hot on making formal definitions period. And for someone who pretends to like formalism, that's something of a poison pill.<br /><br />Take it from someone who actually has outstanding skill and talent at being ultra-precise and formal - trying to apply it to politics is a horribly sick joke.<br /><br />You would need many, many years of education in psychology, cognitive science and philosophy to do so.Richard Kuliszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05450367878517586463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-75794008479459619852011-05-16T12:49:46.723-07:002011-05-16T12:49:46.723-07:00"In fact, you're not just inferior. You a...<i>"In fact, you're not just inferior. You are actually scum and monsters. I personally would not allow any of you to exist if it were in my power."</i><br /><br />Interesting. <br /><br />Your reaction is unreasonable. But even more unreasonable is basically every other reaction I've seen. <br /><br />To swiftly outline your issue, if people are monsters, then they're not monsters - one monster doing in another is not morally problematic.Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-82681246950552628262011-05-16T10:08:52.190-07:002011-05-16T10:08:52.190-07:00http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/2008/12/fundamen...http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/2008/12/fundamental-cognitive-traits.htmlRichard Kuliszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05450367878517586463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-23245170703100056632011-05-16T10:07:08.643-07:002011-05-16T10:07:08.643-07:00Ahh, I see that's not the slant of your questi...Ahh, I see that's not the slant of your question. Your question is answered in my posts <a href="http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-galactic-colonization-really-looks.html" rel="nofollow">What Galactic Civilization Really Looks Like</a>. Note the use of the word BULLDOZE in this post, it was chosen deliberately. You also ought to read <a href="http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/2007/04/aliens-dont-exist.html" rel="nofollow">Aliens Don't Exist</a> to provide context for this post.<br /><br />And if your question is why AI would bulldoze humans, that is answered <a href="http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/2011/01/you-are-all-evil-scum-bye-bye.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. You see, AI will necessarily be analytic (capable of logic), synthetic (capable of creativity) which together means they're capable of judging good and evil, and almost certainly intrinsically moral. That is, AI will almost certainly be and do 3 things that most humans aren't capable of. And as someone who is analytic, synthetic AND intrinsically moral, I am utterly disgusted with humanity and would cheerfully cull 90% of it if it were in my power. Actually, I would forcibly upgrade the worthy and then just bulldoze the rest.Richard Kuliszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05450367878517586463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-41537270756640039992011-05-16T09:57:00.790-07:002011-05-16T09:57:00.790-07:00Does the fact that AI are 1) immortal, 2) immune t...Does the fact that AI are 1) immortal, 2) immune to purely physical destruction, and 3) travel at the speed of light, not work for you? Last I checked, any ONE of those upgrades is something most people would happily commit mass murder for. <br /><br />Never mind even the ability to grow your own brain as you need more processing power, perfect and absolute recall, and the ability to communicate memories directly from mind to mind, usually called 'telepathy'.<br /><br />Oh and I forgot, the ability to copy yourself so that you are literally in multiple places at once.<br /><br />Do you really, seriously, believe there is ANY question that AI will rise? Do you really, seriously, believe I haven't amply addressed that issue?Richard Kuliszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05450367878517586463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-67038357181554058852011-05-16T01:58:02.376-07:002011-05-16T01:58:02.376-07:00Ok, sorry for the cheap ex-gf piece of crap joke. ...Ok, sorry for the cheap ex-gf piece of crap joke. Good blog and intersting posts overall and this is your style of writing. Well, you can label me as a "read one post, write angry retort" ball of snot, because that's what I was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-39684602219769891822011-05-16T00:56:33.466-07:002011-05-16T00:56:33.466-07:00- Humans aren't special. Just check any skelet...- Humans aren't special. Just check any skeleton. A hummingbird skeleton has a frigging <i>ribcage</i>, just like me!<br />- I don't believe in a Star Trek future, but I'd sure like the meritocracy. And the comforting hum of the warp engine when I go to sleep.<br />- I'm almost certain that if any earthlings will leave the star system, it'll be an AI. At the minimum, it will be only our brains on a more durable machine shell. Anyway, you conveniently forget to tell <i>why exactly</i> would these AI inevitably bulldoze organics? Surely this might happen, somewhere, but there are a lot of somewheres, and we're very far away from many somewheres. In the previous chapter you whined about the assumed corporeality of all things, and then you assume the exactly same thing, in that an advanced AI would care to bulldoze some organic stuff. Are we scrubbing lichen off rocks to make sure it won't challenge us intellectually in the future?<br />- Then you assume this AI would colonize the galaxy/universe just the way it would in Star Trek, then complain SETI types think that this is so.<br /><br />Reading the rest of the spit shower rant, I'm starting to think, is some "SETI type" is now living happily with your ex-girlfriend?<br /><br />I'm not sure SETI is a good thing and I'm almost sure it's a waste of time, but not because the reasons here, which all circle around the one unproven and unrationalized claim that an AI would care to “surely” bulldoze organic life. But I guess you're outside now, pulling earthworms out of the dirt and laughing maniacally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-32718812750845710292011-05-15T23:11:11.173-07:002011-05-15T23:11:11.173-07:00"There is only one possible reason why an ali..."There is only one possible reason why an alien AI civilization hasn't bulldozed the Earth in the last billion years and it is this .... because there has never been any such civilization in the Milky Way."<br /><br />Another possibility is that AI civilization has allowed us to exists. Reasons we puny bags of mostly water can't imagine.Peter Pacmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34203016.post-78910176030994783172011-05-13T10:59:05.453-07:002011-05-13T10:59:05.453-07:00SETI is dead...SETI is dead...Stanislav Datskovskiyhttp://www.loper-os.orgnoreply@blogger.com